Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Resignation of Dutch Cabinet over child welfare fraud scandalEdit

Article: Netherlands child welfare fraud scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and his Cabinet resign as a result of the child welfare fraud scandal, with new elections planned for March 2021. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NYTimes
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article is woefully short and I don't know enough about it to help expand, but if I am reading this correctly, while Rutte will remain as acting PM until March to make sure there is leadership, he could be out come these elections in March if his party doesn't get the majority. So effectively the start of a new election cycle. Masem (t) 22:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 Sulawesi earthquakeEdit

Article: 2021 Sulawesi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: An earthquake on the Indonesian island of Sulawesi kills at least 35 people and injures hundreds of others. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NYT, AP, Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Developing. Several dead Sherenk1 (talk) 06:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  • The article is already in a good shape. 27 dead at the moment. --Tone 07:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
@Tone: Information can be changed. Until now, there are 35 people killed. 110.137.127.103 (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Significant, recent. Article's in fine shape. GeraldWL 12:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - the article is easily good enough & the earthquake important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 13:35, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support 35 deaths is a lot, and that is likely to rise. Gex4pls (talk) 13:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – in principle, pending results of search for survivors. – Sca (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted with updated numbers from the article. --Jayron32 14:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Bryan MonroeEdit

Article: Bryan Monroe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Philadelphia Inquirer; CNN; The Mercury News
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kathleen HeddleEdit

Article: Kathleen Heddle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Associated Press; The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported on January 13 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Not a very long article, but decent. Well sourced and no grammar issues that I could see. Gex4pls (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support well referenced and updated. MurielMary (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Siegfried FischbacherEdit

Article: Siegfried & Roy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is in decent shape given that we had used this for Roy's death last year. Masem (t) 14:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Gerry CottleEdit

Article: Gerry Cottle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News, Evening Standard, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British circus owner and promoter. Article is short but well-sourced. Covid-19 death (a week before he was due to be vaccinated).Note: His death was reported on 13 January, but the BBC report says that he "died in hospital in Bath earlier in the week" so a revised date may be required. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Dismayed that neither Reflinks nor ReFill currently working for me. Might have to actually juggle the refs in manually. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Neither have worked since yesterday!, brought up un talk page of refill JW 1961 Talk 18:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, per TRM - there is a Telegraph article [1] that may be able cite the remaining cn but unfortunately I can't access it from Ireland JW 1961 Talk 20:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are 2 {{citation needed}}. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Seyoum MesfinEdit

Article: Seyoum Mesfin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Ethiopian foreign minister. Killed during the Tigray conflict. Article looks alright - Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The Rambling Man, I've expanded on his early life. Sca, it's covered by the ref to Reuters at the end of the paragraph which states "Ethiopia said on Wednesday its military had killed three members of the Tigray region’s former ruling party, including former Ethiopian Foreign Minister Seyoum Mesfin" - Dumelow (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Decent article. Gex4pls (talk) 19:47, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Ndubuisi KanuEdit

Article: Ndubuisi Kanu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vanguard (Nigeria)
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian admiral. Article looks OK - Dumelow (talk) 10:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Margaret WestonEdit

Article: Margaret Weston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bradford Telegraph and Argus
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British museum director, death reported on this date. I've tidied up a ref or two but otherwise article looks in reasonable condition - Dumelow (talk) 10:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Was coming to post this, but on a references spotcheck... Where is the date of birth and middle name sourced (not in Ref 1, can't make Ref 2 download)? Ref 3 does not currently mention any of the material it is supporting, except the fact of patronage; some of this is in Ref 4, but not the school or the patronage of Heritage Railway Association. Ref 4 needs details adding but luckily does support a few of the unsourced statements. Ref 5 is probably usable for date of birth, although it's a blog. Newnham has some details but isn't cited for them. Are there any national newspaper obituaries? (Not questioning the subject's notability, by the way, which I think is obvious.) Espresso Addict (talk) 07:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Have done some tidying up and referencing. Espresso Addict can you review again? MurielMary (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I've had another look and I think most of it is now sourced, though I haven't checked exhaustively. It seems thin for the bio of someone of such considerable contributions; I don't know how much more will be available until the round of obituaries, though. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Grace RobertsonEdit

Article: Grace Robertson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British photographer, death date not known but reported in the press on 13 January. Excellent recent expansion by the above editors - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis+. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Well written, well sourced, etc. Gex4pls (talk) 15:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Thanks for nominating Dumelow, I was holding off until a date was published. An IP has added 11th but afaik it's not been published anywhere yet. I haven't been able to check the Telegraph interview on which the original stub was based, but everything is now sourced elsewhere. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Source cited for her death says "has died aged 90" without an exact date. The WP article says she died "January 2021". Sometime notices are released weeks or months later, so can we be sure it's even January?—Bagumba (talk) 08:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Google is now saying 11 Jan too (which it wasn't when I last tried her), but where it comes from Googling is not showing me. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like google is just using the date the IP put in. Im seeing a lot of non verifiable sources saying Jan 9, Jan 11, and Jan 13, but i cant really narrow it down. Gex4pls (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Tim BogertEdit

Article: Tim Bogert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ultimate Classic Rock, NextMosh
Credits:

Article needs updating

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article isn't excellent. Bassist for Vanilla Fudge and Cactus. Only two sources have said anything, so if this turns out to be a Petty/Roberts situation, feel free to jump in and close. -- a lad insane (channel two) 02:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Marielle de SarnezEdit

Article: Marielle de Sarnez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Point (Le Point)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs work. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose One section is tagged and there's a missing source. Gex4pls (talk) 01:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Tags added where appropriate. Contra the 2017 tag, the list section would be okay if it were referenced. More importantly is the 1-sentence Personal life section, where the actual BLP details should be. The entire Early life section is sourced from a single Le Monde obit. While not itself a problem, it gives the impression that the subject is not widely notable.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose tagged. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are 3 {{citation needed}}. Hanamanteo (talk) 04:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Update. Thanks all. I believe all points have now been addressed: all unverified material either sourced or removed. List rewritten as prose (where verifiable). “Early life” section now has five sources. There was an “expand” tag on “Personal life” section—it has been, but there is also a sourced note explaining she divulged very few personal details to media, hence limited amount available. Cheers, Innisfree987 (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) President Trump impeached by the House of RepresentativesEdit

Article: Second impeachment of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​United States president Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives, becoming the first American president to be impeached twice. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​United States president Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives, becoming the first president to be impeached on two separate occasions.
Alternative blurb II: ​United States president Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives, charging him with incitement of insurrection and making Trump the first American president to be impeached on two separate occasions.
Alternative blurb III: ​United States president Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives for a second time.
Alternative blurb IV: ​United States president Donald Trump is impeached by the House of Representatives, charging him with incitement of insurrection.
News source(s): CNN, Washington Post, New York Times
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Roll call is happening as I type this. I personally recommend we wait on this until it's official, of course.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  • I have conflicting thoughts on this, so won't support or oppose, but to save other people the time, this was posted at ITN the first time he was impeached. diff of posting. previous discussion. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Not pushing this idea - as above, not sure what I think - just suggesting it for others to ponder: and ongoing item? It's likely to keep evolving thru next week at the very least. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Could also be an additional sentence in the existing blurb on the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol, to avoid totally monopolizing ITN with US news. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt 3 upon passage of the article of impeachment. This is unquestionably ITN material. Article is well sourced and under constant construction. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Are we going to see "Americans impeach all the time" (WP:ITNMINIMUMIMPEACHMENTS) arguments? Howard the Duck (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is only the fourth impeachment of a U.S. president. Needless to say, none has previously been impeached twice. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Now official. Davey2116 (talk) 21:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I prefer including the charge ("incitement of insurrection") in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 21:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
probably alt II. Gives a lot of context. DemonDays64 (talk) 21:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb 1. The vote just ended.[2]--Found5dollar (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, the House vote has now officially concluded, 232-197. I think the original blubr is fine, but I don't have a strong preference there. Nsk92 (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support -- half of all of the times the US has impeached a President, it was to impeach Trump. Fun fact. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 21:44, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Vacant0 (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment My preference is altblurb 2, though I'd be fine with any other blurb that either provides context as to why he was impeached or mentions that this is the first time that a US president was impeached on more than one occasion;.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I would also recommend consideration of adding Second impeachment of Donald Trump to ongoing events until the Senate votes on it -Nywillb (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted - Edits to WP:ERRORS -- Fuzheado | Talk 22:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Question: As I've said before, I'm not a Trump supporter. But aren't world leaders generally addressed by their titles? Shouldn't it say "U.S. President Donald Trump"? UncomfortablySmug (talk) 01:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    • @UncomfortablySmug: Per MOS:JOBTITLES: "Use titles where they are necessary for clarity or identification in the context, except in the lead sentence of a biographical subject's own article." (For an example, go look at the article on Elizabeth II: The term "Queen Elizabeth" does not appear once in the body of the article.) In this case, the rest of the sentence makes clear that Donald Trump is the president of the U.S., so there's no need to redundantly say "President" or "U.S. president" before his name. Tamzin (they/them) | o toki tawa mi. 07:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
      In some German media he's been known for weeks as the Noch-Präsident – the "Still-President." – Sca (talk) 13:44, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. The picture of a grinning Trump is ill suited for this blurb. I think this image would be better: Nsk92 (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    @Nsk92: There is an ongoing discussion on the image at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    The photo on there now is amazing. Never ever change it! --Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 21:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment/Question. Has there ever been a faster ITN nom > post in Wikipedia history (1 hour and 6 min)? CoatCheck (talk) 05:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joël RobertEdit

Article: Joël Robert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTBF, Le Soir
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Recent Covid death, 6 times world champion motocross, 1964 Belgian National Sports Merit AwardFram (talk) 16:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. Article seems well sourced. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Outside of 2 sentences about his death, zero biographical details.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    • That's because extremely little has been written about his personal life. In Belgium, if famous people want to keep their private life private, this is mostly respected by the media: as a consequence, we have information about what made him notable, but not about his life, education, family, ... The Flemish main sports newsite, Sporza, has 4 articles about his death (plus one from right before reporting about his critical condition), and they provide no information about his private life except his date of birth[3][4]. Fram (talk) 10:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support good enough for RD, ready to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:25, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Philip TartagliaEdit

Article: Philip Tartaglia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Scotsman
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Lisa MontgomeryEdit

Article: Murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett#Perpetrator (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Convicted murderer in this crime so does not have a standalone page per WP:CRIME; was executed last night after last -minute attempts to hold her execution. Masem (t) 14:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment Masem, how about linking it to Murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett#Perpetrator? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I have done so, though her "bio" is spread through the article itself (based on the events related to the murder investigation). --Masem (t) 15:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Would this be pipe linked in mainpage? Or would it remain as it is? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:13, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support article in good quality and structure. A decent amount of references. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment WP:ITNRD says "if it has a biographical Wikipedia article", apparently meaning a standalone article. So WP:CRIME is in contradiction when it comes to RD. Brandmeistertalk 15:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I agree, there isn't a stand-alone article about her, and WP:ITNRD doesn't have a specific note on allowing this (only for people who are members of groups). Therefore, not convinced this should be on RD, especially as we'd linked to a page about a crime in 2004. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. I think the point of the ITNRD guideline is to avoid RD listings about minor persons who are only mentioned in passing. Montgomery is notable by all standard definitions on Wikipedia and the only reason she has no stand-alone article is a style-related decision not to have such articles in most cases. But the article Masem linked to contains enough text and sources to support a stand-alone article in other cases and thus I think ITNRD has to be interpreted to encompass such articles as well. For example, neither Wachoswki sister has a standalone article but no one would really argue that ITNRD were to deny her an entry in RD if one of them died today. Regards SoWhy 15:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    Wachoswkis: That exception is covered in WP:ITNRD: Individuals who do not have their own article but who have significant coverage on an article about a group (e.g. one member of a musical group) are eligible for a recent deaths entry on a case-by-case basis.Bagumba (talk) 12:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – This nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the tense political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Montgomery lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    It's very rare for female defendants to be executed in the US, so it is significant in that sense.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    Due partly to the fact that women are less likely than men to commit violent crimes. – Sca (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    A blurb would be the route if its the rarity of the event that is notable. —Bagumba (talk) 17:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose WP:ITNRD: An individual human ... if it has a biographical Wikipedia article ... I could possibly IAR for victims, but not the perpetrator. No need to encourage copycats.—Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    • ITNRD is a sufficient but not necessary condition for an RD. I fully recognize the standalone is not there. --Masem (t) 16:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support We've posted deaths of murderers without a standalone article before, eg. Ian Brady.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is ready for posting. Sourced and historically significant.BabbaQ (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Even not considering the fact that the person doesn't have an article, all of the info is spread out across the article, not concentrated in the section linked. Gex4pls (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The inherent notability of this death is that an execution was carried out, and that in itself is not newsworthy.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:39, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    Since when is the cause of death relevant for RD? Regards SoWhy 11:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm not sure that this qualifies for RD; I'm opposed to linking to a murder from 2004, but perhaps a separate article could now be created given the coverage of her execution. A blurb relating to the execution might be warranted, although I'm not 100% sure why it is so much more notable than the other (?)two recent executions. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is a special case. Yes they do not have a standalone article, but her death is more in the news than the other RDs. Fourth woman executed by US federal government, last time was 67 years ago. First woman executed in the Post-Gregg era. TarkusABtalk/contrib 19:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note There is precedent for posting an RD for a murderer where only their crime has an article (Moors_murders#Ian_Brady, discussion), though obviously Brady was far more notorious than this case. Black Kite (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Brady was, I believe, far more of a household name? Also his crimes were much further back in time, historical to most readers, and the article about them much more developed. I strongly think that we should hold to the must (almost always) have a separate article principle to avoid being flooded with similar RD requests. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - What the hell, just ignore all rules. STSC (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose RD. No standalone article. Brady article nom did not have clear consensus IMO. If the significance/newsworthiness is the execution, then this should be considered as a blurb rather than shoehorned as an RD. SpencerT•C 01:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The Brady nom was for a blurb - many of the opposes were against that, before the idea of an RD came up. Black Kite (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I will stress that barring WP:BLPCRIME, Mongomery would have been notable for a standalone article, given that in the last few years as her date of planned execution drew near, more attention had been drawn to her case. But properly under BLPCRIME we don't have a separate article for her as she is not notable for anything beyond the crime, conviction and subsequent legal events tied to it. The complaints that there's no standalone are not really valid as the ITNRD only makes it it a matter of asking about quality for standalone articles, and says nothing against cases like this, which we have posted of the likes before. --Masem (t) 02:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
    People are interpreting WP:ITNRD's has a biographical Wikipedia article as needing to be a "standalone". People could choose to IAR in this case, but that's different than claiming that opposing arguments are "not really valid".—Bagumba (talk) 03:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose IAR use of BLPCRIME to circumvent basic BLP requirements. The personal details are scant, relate overwhelmingly to a single event, and omit many rudimentary biographical points. This would be a clear BLP1E, were it not housed within an event article.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Technically a BLP2E, notable for the murder itself and being the first woman to be federally executed in the USA in almost 70 years (and the first woman executed in the USA in over 5 years). 1779Days (talk) 10:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose we should be stricter about these kinds of things, the individual was not notable without the crime article, so does not meet RD requirements. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Ditto. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
As I have pointed out above, the RD RFCs were established to set the standalone as a "sufficient but not necessary" requirement for adding to RD, we've never had a consensus discussion on the lack of a standalone - though obviously not having any type of sustained section in any article would be not enough for an RD (like the spouse of a notable person). --Masem (t) 14:29, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
That may be your interpretation, but sneaking in these RDs with articles that might just mention individuals in passing is a bad idea, the bad precedent may have been set but we don't need to make a bad thing worse. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:21, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm with TRM here; the last thing we need is a precedent for people without articles to be considered. (Obvious exceptions people like Ant & Dec or the Coens who predominantly work together.) I'm open to a blurb on this; but the bolded article would have to be something relating to executing women or the federal executions that Trump has forwarded. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
There's Capital punishment in the United States. Cursory look didn't show anything Trump or women specific.—Bagumba (talk) 05:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – This isn't going anywhere and it's getting stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: ShingooseEdit

Article: Shingoose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Winnipeg Free Press
Credits:

Article updated

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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Mother and Baby Homes Commission of InvestigationEdit

Article: Mother and Baby Homes Commission of Investigation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​An investigation into Mother and Baby homes in Ireland details the deaths of 9,000 children between 1922 and 1988 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​An investigation into mother and baby homes in Ireland details the deaths of 9,000 children between 1922 and 1988
Alternative blurb II: ​In Ireland, an investigation into church-run homes for unwed mothers and their babies details the deaths of 9,000 children between 1922 and 1988.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Culmination of investigation going back several years, leading to apologies from Irish state and Catholic church. yorkshiresky (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support (but note I created the article). Culmination of a years-long investigation will see a state apology from Ireland's Taoiseach in a story that will dominate the news in Ireland for a week. Already garnering international attention. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 23:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Shocking news in a Catholic country. STSC (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Reminds me of the Australian war crimes investigation from a few months ago. Making news even across the pond,[1], [2],[3],[4]. Gex4pls (talk) 04:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Blurb modified to include bold link and (to my eye) a missing article. The Criticisms section is not what I expected, and there is no text comparing this situation to analogous if not contemporary situations (France, Russia, Low Countries during occupation, etc.).130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support bloody hell. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment awful mistreatment and in principle a blurb seems warranted. However, the outcome was widely anticipated and it's not clear what's in this final report that wasn't already in the interim publications. The article update so far is minimal and provides no more information than we had before the report was published. I'd like to see new information incorporated into the article before posting. Modest Genius talk 10:05, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Fair comment in part - the scale of deaths and the extent of the disparity in infant mortality rates between the general populace and those in homes was not generally known. The reactions section will be expanded as the Taoiseach makes his state apology and survivors' groups issue their own statements; but this may take some time - the report is over 3,000 pages and frankly, it's hard going. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I expect there will be plenty of reactions. I just would have preferred ITN to wait a day for that material to be added to the article before posting. It's not as if stories are rotating off quickly at present. Modest Genius talk 13:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Stacy TitleEdit

Article: Stacy Title (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: Director of The Bye Bye ManUncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. Going to need some work; currently a stub with only a few sentences on her work. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose unreferenced filmography. And per Espresso Addict, just above stub. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:29, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment The filmography is now sourced though the article is still somewhat small. May be satisfactory, I'm not sure. Spengouli (talk) 04:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is now fully sourced and a complete BLP. At 1,6 kb it is no longer a stub (but just barely).130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:38, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – At 300 words it does seem rather stubbyish, though. Oh well. – Sca (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Indian farm laws suspendedEdit

Articles: 2020 Indian agriculture acts (talk · history · tag) and 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Supreme Court of India suspends enforcement of the 2020 agriculture acts which had led to a months-long farmers' protest. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: If this is posted, the ongoing about the protests should be pulled out from ongoing. There probably should be a bit more updating on the targets about this. Masem (t) 16:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Question Does the suspension of the laws mean that the laws are repealed, or does it mean that the implementation has simply been postponed? Gex4pls (talk) 16:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • They are definitely not repealed/vacated/nullified. All articles I see reported them as suspected or temporarily put on hold while a panel is brought in to oversee negotiations between the gov't and farmers to try to work out compromises on the laws. --Masem (t) 16:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
      • In that case, Oppose. If the laws were repealed, then maybe a support, but the laws simply being put on hold doesn't stop the protests. There is also barely any update in the two articles linked. Gex4pls (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. This is huge. People died protesting these laws. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - For now, while the ongoing status should continue. STSC (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per above, should keep in ongoing, and this is in the article. If the protests stop or lose coverage, we can have another nom to remove from ongoing at that point. Albertaont (talk) 05:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose the ongoing should have this covered. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The first article doesn't seem to have been updated. And main thing that's happened is that a committee has been formed. That's just kicking the can down the road and so this will be ongoing interminably. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:22, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose this is part of an ongoing event, and the event is already sufficiently covered in the ITN ongoing section. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sheldon AdelsonEdit

Article: Sheldon Adelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MarketWatch
Credits:
Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 feminist (talk) 13:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Awesome. Er, the article quality I mean. Mostly. Cites seem to be all there, just a tag about the number of section headers which should be easily fixed. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Great looking article. Also, I initially thought that the nominator comment was "feminist" which I thought was pretty funny... --Rockin (Talk) 13:44, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support A death to throw the GOP into shambles. Nice article. Kingsif (talk) 14:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose grimly structured article, currently tagged. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It's not as long as the section headers would suggest, but long enough it's clear where the issue has come from. It's still structured better than lots of one-section two-paragraph short articles we post to RD. Kingsif (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The tag seems to be more of a style issue than content (e.g. NPOV, sourcing, etc), so I've changed the template as such. It's now a yellow tag, instead of orange, which is not a show-stopper per WP:ITN.—Bagumba (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Some referencing issues as well, but should be fixable. SpencerT•C 17:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support All paragraphs cited, no close paraphrasing seen. Ready for the main page. Yoninah (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose per WP:PROMO. Lots of buzzy business language about his casinos. I've tried to moderate it a bit, but this needs some more detailed scrutiny before being posted IMO. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 18:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted - Changes should be requested at WP:ERRORS -- Fuzheado | Talk 20:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2021 College Football Playoff National ChampionshipEdit

When the ITN discussion is several times longer than the article in question, and there is no obvious consensus in either direction, it is time to close. No consensus. --Tone 17:17, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​​In gridiron football, Alabama defeats Ohio State to win the College Football National Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​​In gridiron football, Alabama defeats Ohio State to win the College Football National Championship (offensive MVP DeVonta Smith pictured).
Alternative blurb II: ​​In American football, Alabama defeats Ohio State to win the College Football National Championship (offensive MVP DeVonta Smith pictured).
Alternative blurb III: ​In American football, Alabama defeats Ohio State to win the College Football Playoff National Championship (offensive MVP DeVonta Smith pictured).
News source(s): USA Today, WaPo, NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The college football national championship was posted in 2020! Let's post it again! It is a significant news story in the U.S. as one of the biggest sporting events of the year. It would be one of two gridiron football articles that would get posted in a calendar year. The game isn't over yet, but it's a blowout. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - major news headline, definitely one of the biggest U.S. sports events of the year. Posted last year and absolutely should be posted again. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - The DeVonta Smith photo doesn't look too great so I don't think that the alt blurb should be used. --Rockin (Talk) 05:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    I replaced with a croppped photo. Resolution is ok for a thumbnail, at best.—Bagumba (talk) 06:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment For reference, the 2020 championship was posted here.—Bagumba (talk) 06:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't want to bring up the past issues with the BCS as a general issue, but I would ask if this year is really a "fair" competition given the impact COVID had on the participation of various schools, and thus making this a type of "asterick" win. (To contrast, the NFL has continued its season as normal, outside of rescheduling games due to COVID issues, so the Super Bowl winner isn't "affected" by the COVID factor) --Masem (t) 06:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    It's "asterisk". And the concern is similar to that about "unfair elections". If somehow the notability has been diminished by the impact of COVID, that should be covered in the article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    fivethirtyeight.com which is the most scientific analyst of elections (they gave Hillary c. 33% chance of losing cause she needed many states which weren't that blue and states' polling errors are correlated, this was more accurate than anyone) and one of the most for sports has said that nothing was weird about who won. If you know American football you'd know that Alabama soundly defeating Ohio State is not unexpected enough to make you think coronavirus asterisk. As of the Jan 2020 edition Alabama had won more championships than anyone since the previous system started in 1998 and did it all since 2009 and Ohio State was one score away from this game last year and won in 2014 and was champion 7 times between 2002 and 1942. The winner is so non-asterisked in fact that this is Alabama's 6th championship in 12 years.Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Given that this was in the US, I think Blurb2 using "American football" is more relevant per MOS:SPECIFICLINK.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support alt2 (but only include MVP pic if a better pic can be found) — Article quality is good and readers will certainly be looking for this. Last year's championship brought over 90,000 views to the article, and when this year's semifinals concluded 10 days ago, this article about the finals received 45,000 views. [5] "American" is more specific and recognizable than "gridiron". I agree the blurry MVP pic isn't good enough for the main page; would support MVP pic with a better quality pic. Levivich harass/hound 06:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment There are excellent pictures here and here on Flickr, but they both have all rights reserved. Any way we could get rights to them? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    @PCN02WPS: One example is here—an editor asked the owner to change the licensing on Flickr, and they did.—Bagumba (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Bagumba, I'll give that a shot. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 07:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's the same old story every year and my opinion is still a resounding no. The Super Bowl LV in less than a month is enough from this sport (or family of sports if you dare). We've been discussing this for more than ten years now, which is enough time to conclude that this particular tournament hasn't impacted the youth in the world to play the sport at all nor is there any significant expansion of the sport as a result.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Right now, gridiron football gets one ITN/R a year. Two is not too much to ask for. It was posted last year, and consensus has moved more and more towards support each year. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
      • If I ever ask for a second event from this sport, I'll definitely go with a league in another country. I see that Japan have won the IFAF World Championship two times, which makes me really curious to learn more about their league.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
        • LOL if we post the Rice Bowl, we'd be posting the winner of the Japanese American college football championship (one of the participants in the Rice Bowl is the Japanese American college football champion), and not the American American college football championship. AFAIK the IFAF World Championship doesn't include Americans who have played in the highest levels of football, pro or college. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Accessibility Note Could someone fix the Ohio colours, please? That grey on red text doesn't even come close to accessibility requirements, which is not negotiable (I'd change it myself, but it's probably better if someone more familiar with team colours does it). Black Kite (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Changed the gray to white. Unfortunately, too many editors pay more attention to branding than readability.—Bagumba (talk) 09:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Kiril Simeonovski. 1) The sport is only known in America 2) Coverage is very limited to just one country, have tried switching IP to different countries but failed to find any non-American source. This would be similar to me nominating World Pencak Silat Championships, which would be definitely closed with SNOW and a trout.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromi Mikhael (talkcontribs) 08:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • It took me 5 seconds to find coverage in two major UK newspapers [6] [7] and a French news service [8], so that isn't a good comparison. Black Kite (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The BBC doesn't even mention it on their page devoted to the sport [9] Modest Genius talk 14:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
They must not realize how big the second highest championship is then. Or think their readers won't care about it. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
You can't just insist sources don't care about it for X, Y, Z (here, at my comment below) reason but it's still important and should get posted. From your random paragraph analysis of the game above, it's clear you really care about it, but sources don't, at least not this year, sorry. No exceptions for the second highest championship because one guy swears it's big when RS's don't. Kingsif (talk) 15:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It's the top story on the sports page of the New York Times, New York is not particularly interested in the teams involved as they are at least 8.5 hours of continuous driving away and outside the Northeast US. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
That wasn't the point. You have been replying to every comment bringing up the lack of news coverage (a main criterion) by saying "but they are distracted by politics" or "but there's a pandemic" or, here, "but they don't count because they don't know how important it is" - particularly bad since importance is often dictated by news coverage, not in spite of lack of it. So I say, you can't ignore a criterion because you think sources are getting it wrong. If they're not giving coverage, they're not giving coverage, and it doesn't matter why. Kingsif (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
It's also the top story on the San Francisco newspaper sports page and they're about as far as you can get from these teams without leaving this parochial Europe-sized country. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Same thing for Alaska [10] Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
And Guardian US Sports Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, apparently Tor wasn't giving me good IPs. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as one of the biggest events in the year. That it's limited to a single country is irrelevant -- ITN gets sports events that take place in one country all the time. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 08:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Support I am as perpetually bemused as most non-Americans as to why amateur sport is such a big deal, but it clearly is, and it's not difficult to find non-US coverage either as you can see in my reply to Jeromi Mikhael above. Black Kite (talk) 10:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    @Black Kite: Don't let the "amateur" status mislead you into thinking it's not a big business. O'Bannon v. NCAA and Fair Pay to Play Act are examples. College football and men's basketball has strong ties with students and alumni, as well as in areas wihtout professional teams. It's one reason Trump pushed for a college football season among the pandemic.—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support seems to gather enough interest, but I find it staggering that nearly 15,000 spectators were allowed to share their Covid. Wow, just wow. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
And now you know why we have so much COVID for our population density. Handwaving that meh 15,000 is only like 15% just doesn't happen in some states though, America isn't all this crazy. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Holy crap, this was one of the professional football stadiums which means it was almost quarter full and spectators were 1 yard apart at most. Makes me think of the Florida man meme. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Pretty much every source calls it the "College Football Playoff National Championship".[11] Not sure if the earlier blurbs intentionally dropped "Playoff" or not. I've added ALT III.—Bagumba (talk) 11:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. An amateur sporting event only open to students at certain universities; not the top level of American football in any sense (that's the Super Bowl). Teams are selected by a subjective committee not on-field performance. We have consistently avoided posting this before - I'm amazed that 2020 had a different outcome, which seems to have been due to lower participation and no clear consensus. Let's not repeat that mistake. ITN shouldn't be posting student sporting competitions (yes that applies to the Boat Race too). Modest Genius talk 12:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The teams had $116 and $95 million of revenue last year. The winning coach is paid $9.3 million which is almost as much as the professional football #1 of $12 million. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Modest Genius, I don't think that the fact that it is an amateur competition detracts from its newsworthiness or notability as it pertains to ITN; in fact, the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament is ITN/R. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
PCN02WPS I don't think NCAA basketball should be posted either, and have consistently !voted to oppose it and all other student sports. As I've said in previous discussions, we should be posting amateur sporting events only if there is no professional competition in that sport (Gaelic football is the only one that springs to mind). Otherwise we should stick to the most important competitions in the highest (professional) level of the sport. College is not the highest level of American football. Modest Genius talk 21:40, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose As per Kiril and numerous arguments over the last decade. I did find that in a year which has had (in the first ten days): Britain leaving the EU, The US president inciting violence in storming the capitol building, Ireland set to publish the report into the mother and baby home abuse.... the description of a non-professional college-level sport as "one of the biggest events in the year" to be laughably and hilariously blinkered. Only in death does duty end (talk) 12:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Only in death, the argument that the event should not be posted because it is non-professional and college-level is somewhat invalidated by the status of the NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament at ITN/R. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:36, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per Kiril and Only in death.Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Frankly the decision to host the CFP during COVID-19 was so dubious that it ought not be publicized to begin with.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    With respect that really isn't an ITN criteria.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    But you !voted to publicize the Capitol domestic terrorists. OK.—Bagumba (talk) 02:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is a major event in American football and it is a good quality article. P-K3 (talk) 13:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
The NFL Draft is also a major event in American football, but we would never consider it newsworthy. ITN looks at general notability and not just insular notability.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:41, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
We consider it newsworthy because it is being covered by reliable sources, as is the case here.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's not ITN/R but we can still consider it here at ITN/C. The article's in decent shape. But, I have to oppose based on the fact that even though I like college football I had no idea this happened. Just missed it. Nobody was talking about it and it can't have been above the fold in any news. And you'd think getting multiple colleges together during a pandemic would have been news in itself, so this must be really down the newsworthy pecking order right now. (edit: and this is without getting into the fact it's second-tier non-professional competition in one country. It could be the most popular thing ever for fans of the sport in that country, but until we start posting all the other second-tier non-professional championships that fans go crazy over for all sports in all countries, it's US bias to suggest college football deserves a blurb) Kingsif (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Somebody give me my oars... wait I'm a duck I don't need that. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I would be very entertained to watch a college football vs Boat Race battle. Kingsif (talk) 15:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Any boat race that takes the high ground has failed as a boat race. Gex4pls (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Everyone has virus and politics on the mind now. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
If it were truly newsworthy, it would still be covered, like the many other things taking up the "good news" and "sports column" slots. And for the personal experience side, if it was even given a small headline in the general news sources and social media I peruse, it would have caught my eye. But it isn't. Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, it's been quite prominently featured on sites such as ESPN, and has been tirelessly brought up during every ESPN bowl game broadcast. I, personally, would disagree with the statement that "nobody was talking about it." PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I'm sorry, the US sports broadcaster that covers everything talked about it during their football broadcast. Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, if you, as someone who likes college football, go unaware of the sport's biggest event of the year, that could very well be an issue on your end rather than an issue with the noteworthiness of the event itself. Articles about the game could be quite easily found on both "general news sources" and "social media" both before and after the game. I agree with Spengouli below when he says "I didn't know it happened" or "This shouldn't be covered at all" aren't valid reasoning. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I assumed that it wasn't going ahead, so didn't look for any news on it. And I saw no news on it. This, to me, shows that unless you are looking for news on it then, at least this year, it's not on your radar. That doesn't make for wide newsworthiness: having to go looking for news isn't equal to simply "I didn't know it happened" and we all should recognize that comment was mischaracterization. Kingsif (talk) 21:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif, again, basing your !vote on a misguided assumption of yours and yours alone is not a sound reason to oppose a nomination. And again, the fact that you did not see news articles about it seems to be more of an issue on your end. The nominator included three very mainstream and prominent news sources, and many more can be found with a simple Google search. I think we could both agree that if I asserted that because I didn't look for news about the FIFA World Cup, and therefore didn't find any, the World Cup was not newsworthy, my argument would not be valid. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:31, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, what misguided assumption? That I'm a fan of college football but not delusional like you seem to be that this got any mainstream coverage this year? You appear to be willfully misinterpreting me; I read multiple news sites and I check social media, so if something doesn't come up on my feed it's pretty obscure. I'm sure that's the kind of principle anyone reasonable would agree on. I explained, then elaborated, then literally said you were mischaracterizing my argument. Either you can't understand it, or you're trying to claim a good oppose is baseless. In either case, it's going to be fruitless to continue explaining to you that just telling someone "there's a problem on your end" when there really isn't, is not actually a way to refute them :) So stop pinging me with your insistence that gosh, I clearly haven't read the news or whatever this bs is. Kingsif (talk) 03:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Kingsif's point is related to the point I made. I know the NFL is in full gear and its activities outside the field are pretty much getting the same coverage as last year, but anything related to college football was extremely muted since many areas did not have teams playing since most schools did not have in-person classes. Yes, the BCS still has its importance to the field, but I don't think there was the expected interest in it this year as in past years. --Masem (t) 15:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
That makes sense, I hadn't been following it so did not know that. I just assumed they would at least play without fans like the first sports to return. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Masem, I think it is a mischaracterization to say that "many areas did not have teams playing." Of the 130 FBS teams, only three did not play a single game. While I do concede that some teams had much shorter schedules than we'd be used to in a normal year, the fact is that the vast majority of FBS teams played this year. (Also, just as a note, the BCS is not the system used anymore; rather, the CFP has been used since 2014.) PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Ha, I opposed it last year. Must be going soft in my old age. Black Kite (talk) 16:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This isn't really ITN/R, and with the super bowl just around the corner i doubt anyone will really care. Gex4pls (talk) 16:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Besides the sports fans of the 0.2% of Earth that lives in those states you mean. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
90,000 page views isn't enough to meet the "wide interest" criteria? Levivich harass/hound 20:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Gex4pls, the fact is that the College Football Playoff National Championship is not ITN/R, and that is not a valid reason for opposing it. Non-ITN/R events are not automatically non-notable. Further, I disagree with the premise that the event is not notable or newsworthy because it occurs the month before another newsworthy event or just the notion that you don't think others care. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb 3 - We posted it last year and I fail to see any convincing argument as to why it shouldn't be posted. "I didn't know it happened" or "This shouldn't be covered at all" aren't valid reasoning. Spengouli (talk) 18:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I vote to support this, obviously, as a completely disinterested and neutral editor. Also, it is a major sporting event, of near-Superbowl size. "I doubt anyone will really care" is prima facie incorrect, and it's not just the sports fans in those states. It's a huge nation-wide thing, with non-stop coverage on ESPN starting days before the event. The Rambling Man, the COVID superspreader event was more likely on the strip in Tuscaloosa, rather than at the actual football game (and I am not proud of that). Drmies (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Here we go again, sports fans: 4,300 words' worth of heart-rendering rhetoric. – Sca (talk) 19:43, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support The criteria in question is wide interest. "Wide" can be somewhat vague, but the interest her is far more broad than many items we post. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I hope that the closing admin will safely disregard all votes that we should post this because we did it last year or because there is other stuff that we post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    As I hope they will safely disregard all votes that are unmoored from ITN criteria. Levivich harass/hound 20:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    True, especially for the opposition based on the relation to a single country, although it's not even close to be dumb as the belief that we should post because we did it in the past.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Arguments about a story relating to a particular geographic region, country, ethnicity, people group, etc. are generally seen as unhelpful. Almost all news is of greater interest to a particular place and/or group of people than to the world at large, and arguing that something should or should not be posted, solely because of where the event happened, or who might be "interested" in it because of its location, are not usually met with concurrence from the community. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    "Support because we posted X in the past" and "Oppose because we usually don't post this sort of thing" ... either they're both valid, or neither are valid. I think neither. We should gauge reader interest based on evidence of current reader interest, not past reader interest. Past reader interest can predict current reader interest, but not determine it. Levivich harass/hound 20:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    ITN is not driven by reader interest, because we know topics from certain regions naturally draw more interest than others; we're trying to normalize topics to worldwide importance, and we have generally discouraged the posting amateur sporting events (of which the BCS clearly is) unless it is the only top event in its field (like marathons and rowing, hi TRM). --Masem (t) 20:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Then we better revise the first sentence of WP:ITN (The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest.), and the first bullet point (To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.) and third bullet point (To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.) of WP:ITN#Purpose. Levivich harass/hound 20:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    "Wide interest" dos not mean "popular news topics" though, which is what you're arguing. The results of an amateur sporting event may be popular in the US but has been argued does not have a compelling wide interest globally. Its why we avoid posting every Trump story that passes along as well. --Masem (t) 20:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    Do you or do you not think page views is a metric by which we can measure "wide interest"? Levivich harass/hound 21:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    I don't. We don't know where those hits have come from. For me, "wide interest" means more than to just one specific locale. I wonder how many pageviews came from India or China? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    But your view, that "wide interest" means international interest, does not have consensus. According to WP:ITN, which Howard quoted just above, the consensus is against requiring international interest. In any case, what metric would you use to gauge "wide interest" as it's used at WP:ITN? Levivich harass/hound 21:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    You asked me if I thought page views was a metric for "wide interest". I don't, I think it's a metric which measures page views, not "interest from a wide audience". If we're going for pageviews and want that to apply, we should be saying "large" interest, not "wide" interest. I think most of us understand that "wide" doesn't mean "from one demographic". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    I'm asking you what metric would you use to gauge "wide interest"? Levivich harass/hound 21:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    I would pre-empt that by saying don't create requirements which aren't testable. Everyone knows that. Basics. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    By what metric do you measure the significance criteria? Levivich harass/hound 21:16, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    By consensus, that's the same across Wikipedia. You asked about pageviews being somehow equivalent to a "wide" audience. I think, at least, we've put that silly one to bed! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    I answered both your questions: (a) pageviews doesn't prove wide audience (b) significance is measured by consensus. Why so salty? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:25, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Wide audience not required if it's a small ex-Dominion like Australia. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:30, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I would avoid conflating ITNC with ITNR. If you don't like an Australian ITNR, nominate it for removal. This discussion isn't about that at all. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't mind a major Aussie-only sports item being posted, I'm not a deletionist. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't think we're talking about deleting anything. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Well the higher inclusion standards equivalent for ITN, as technically ITN doesn't delete but simply doesn't add. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Australian football Grand Final hits come from a country even smaller than the mainland US without Alaska and that's itnr. We almost have a metro area with more people than Australia. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Neither does Irish or Australian football but I wouldn't mind them being posted. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose because ITN isn't a college sports ticker. If it was national/international sports - fine. These are a bunch of college students playing football, not an NFL competition. This seems to go a big overboard on what we post. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 20:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • User:Destroyeraa, it is "national sports". Like, it's literally in the title. It's the national championship, the biggest money generator in the billion-dollar industry of college sports. Drmies (talk) 21:50, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Destroyeraa, WP:ITN/C#Please do not... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Here in England, our most popular sport is association football. The Premier League is in WP:ITN/R, but we don't post any other English competitions, such as the FA Cup - still in itself a big deal domestically. In fact only two other national leagues, those of Spain and Germany, are in that list. As such, given that we already post the top competition in US American football, it would be overkill to post a second one. I get that this is a big deal in America, nobody's denying that, but so are many other things within their respective countries and we don't want to inundate ITN with endless sporting events. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
    • This argument isn't really relevant. By your logic, we shouldn't post the Premeir League, because the Champions League would be the "top competition", no? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Or even the Club World Cup, sometimes the South American champion of champions even beats the European. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Or endless discussions either. Current count: 5,500 words. – Sca (talk) 23:26, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Gee what a useful contribution to the discussion. If you don't want to take part in it, don't. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Discussing the discussion, Muboshgu, which has long since exceeded any reasonable parameters of garrulousness. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support ALT III w/o photo based on interest and article quality. I read through the !votes. Opposers should to reminded to not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, then there's the sub-variant that it must arbitrarily be the topmost level of that country. WP:ITNR#Golf, for one, doesnt follow that. Country club exception? This is part of a recurring ITN debate over how to balance that one English-speaking country has a 300M population while others are 60M and below. A second post of the most popular sport of a country with likely the most English readers by far is reasonable. And ITN does post "popular" items, like its obsession with WP:MINIMUMDEATHS.—Bagumba (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Is this looking like there'll be any actual consensus? Because there's two users literally harassing anyone who dares oppose and it's at half the page, so make a decision soon. Kingsif (talk) 04:02, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    Who's doing that? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    I agree with you. A few more opposes and supports and this should be closed with a no consensus instead. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:48, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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RD: Thomas G. CarpenterEdit

Article: Thomas G. Carpenter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Florida Times-Union; Jacksonville Daily Record
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Only reported today (January 11) Bloom6132 (talk) 00:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - citations look good enough. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 07:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose it may just be what it is, but his "academic career" didn't really amount to much here, a couple of things relating to a few building projects, but nothing else, over quite a lengthy period. Is that all there is? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:49, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Article says that after Carpenter's first wife Oneida died, "he and his second wife continued visiting the campus for major events" – but doesn't identify the second wife, nor does the cited article. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Sca: Unfortunately, none of the articles published today[12][13][14] mention his second wife's name. Nor do any of the reliable sources I've searched through. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:00, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
How very strange. – Sca (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC) – So ↓
  • Oppose – Unencyclopedic & unjournalistic. – Sca (talk) 16:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sca: can you elaborate on this? Did you mean to post this to some other nom?130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
No. – Sca (talk) 15:42, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support A complete BLP, and his professional career is well documented here. Contrary to some points above: being a president of not one, but two public universities is quite an accomplishment in itself. The bureaucratic and academic wrangling to pull that off is not a common skill, and having multiple architectures named after not only himself, but his family attests to that.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose No details about his presidency at Memphis state; insufficient depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 15:07, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Eve BransonEdit

Article: Eve Branson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SKY News, The Evening Standard, Metro, HuffPo, The Times
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: British philanthropist, child welfare advocate, and the mother of Richard Branson. Short but well-sourced, Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak Support Well sourced but a bit too short and list esque for my liking. Gex4pls (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Short (1800 characters), nearly all sourced to non-independent sources; are there any independent obituaries? Espresso Addict (talk) 16:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Is there a minimum word count for posting? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
At 350 words it's brief, but it seems to cover the essential points. Interesting person. – Sca (talk) 13:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: No minimum length beyond not a stub, but "Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items." My main problem with this is that the subject's notability is not well demonstrated with sources independent of her, her family and her agency. Only Refs 6, 7, 12 and a few others repeating Branson's press release about her death are remotely independent. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose A shade brief; any additional information about the Eve Branson Foundation beyond the 1 sentence currently there? SpencerT•C 17:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment The Times has now published an obituary (link added abeve), but it's subscriber only. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Perhaps the article has been improved since the above comments, but I find this to be a well- and diversly-sourced, complete and succinct BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Update: The Times obituary gives date of death as 8th January (apparently - (subscription required)), so may be already too late to post now. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tom AckerEdit

Article: Tom Acker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NorthJersey.com; Patch.com
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Only reported on January 10 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Christopher MaboulouEdit

Article: Christopher Maboulou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15], multiple non-English sources
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Short article, but all the information available Joseph2302 (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support tragic and although brief, such a young player and only just getting started. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Well sourced and well structured. Not much else to say. Gex4pls (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. While brief, the subject's life was short so the relative length is acceptable. SpencerT•C 17:13, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Bobby KellardEdit

Article: Bobby Kellard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News, Portsmouth
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: English footballer and former Chelmsford City F.C manager. It's in decent shape. TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 02:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Decent little article, well cited (I cited and removed the only CN on the page) JW 1961 Talk 10:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Added a cn tag (feel free to remove if wrong), also, I'm not sure if it's standard for sources to be mid sentence instead of at the end, as this article is full of these, but correct me if I'm wrong. Gex4pls (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. A great deal more sourcing is needed. Nothing wrong with citations mid sentence if the last part is covered by something else, but this is not the case for much of this article. The section on his later life is very bitty. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose just feel like the prose is mostly a re-hash of the infobox. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Subject is 56 years old before the first biographical detail is noted. Not a BLP; article could reasonably be moved to Career of Bobby Kellard.130.233.213.199 (talk) 09:50, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Nancy Walker Bush EllisEdit

Article: Nancy Walker Bush Ellis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: A little brief - death only just announced so hopefully some more obits will be published which can be used for expansion. MurielMary (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. I made some cursory edits to improve some of the references formats and try to tie in some of the info better. But there's also a dead link that I couldn't revive and some PDFs and primary sources that I didn't have time to amend. Tunestoons (talk) 22:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not checked in detail. Still fairly short, particularly given how much of the article is given over to relatives, wedding guests and details of her death -- in general her personal notability apart from her family isn't well developed. I particularly don't like bulking the lead with all her notable relatives, it makes her look less notable for her own achievements. "[B]ecame a champion tennis player and athlete in her youth" is intriguing; more details would be interesting. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose 42 years seem to pass without mention. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I found a new source for the PDF (10, supports Tufts charity work), and deleted the dead link (3, supports wedding guests). The latter was redundant because the information is referenced in the source immediately following (was 4, now 3, NY Times special on the marraige). All other refs look good, BLP details are complete.130.233.213.199 (talk) 09:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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  • The Parler app is suspended indefinitely from the App Store by Apple Inc. Additionally, Amazon also announces that they will discontinue providing cloud services for Parler due to incitement of violence, which will go into effect on Sunday at 11:59 p.m. Pacific time. (CNN) (CNBC)

Sports


RD: Ved MehtaEdit

Article: Ved Mehta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks to be in decent shape at a quick glance. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 21:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. Not checked in detail but on a quick look doesn't look too bad. Not sure what "monumental" means when applied to an autobiographical work (usually used to imply it was a monument to the subject), and I don't know that it is all that flattering to be best known for writing an autobiography; perhaps his other achievements could be summarised in the lead. The career is rather skimmed over -- he wrote >24 books, surely some are worth mentioning in more detail? The emphasis of the career at the New Yorker appears rather negative. Did he have any children? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Looks generally okay and well-documented, with 38 cites, many from NYT. "Monumental" appears to refer to the length of Mehta's autobiography, which per per Amazon was published in six separately titled volumes. – Sca (talk) 14:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Concur with Espresso Addict that I would like a little more info about the subject's writing career for this to be adequately fleshed out. SpencerT•C 01:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment LISTCRIT is unclear for Selected works. If "selected" is being used to mean "these are all the works for which sources can be found" then the template could be switched for {{incomplete list}}.130.233.213.199 (talk) 09:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Beddu AmangEdit

Article: Beddu Amang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Nominated in a hasty manner; will improve later. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Improvements done, please comment below. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 02:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks OK. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not checked in detail but a quick scan revealed some queries. I've moved the education out of the lead, but the 1977 degree is not cited. He appears to be referred to throughout as "Beddu Amang" -- is this necessary or can a single name be used? There's a translation error with "relinquishment/relinquished", not sure what the right word is. (It looks as if he were fired, but I don't want to add that to the article if it isn't correct.) Espresso Addict (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
@Espresso Addict:
  • the 1977 degree is not cited — removed the sentence, it is out of place and unrelated
  • is this necessary or can a single name be used? — Beddu seems to be his single name based on the Who's Who of Several UGM Alumni
  • There's a translation error with "relinquishment/relinquished", not sure what the right word is. — Dismissed is a better choice.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 00:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: Thanks. I've requested some sources. There seems to be a lack of detail on his career. What did he do in his various positions? Why was the agency reduced in scope so drastically during his tenure? What did he do between 1998 and his death? Can anything be said about his personal life? Lead could now do with expansion. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
@Espresso Addict:
  • lack of detail on his career. What did he do in his various positions? — no clue, it is just a regular promotion, but it shows us his journey to became the number one person in the agency
  • Why was the agency reduced in scope so drastically during his tenure? — i put a single sentence to it — the thesis actually entirely discuss the reason, but that's for a GA
  • What did he do between 1998 and his death? — sleeping in prison and picking up soap carefully
  • Can anything be said about his personal life? — he has a wife and children
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Storm FilomenaEdit

Closed because of unanimous oppose. (non-admin closure) TuckerTVG (whaddya want, loser?) 01:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Storm Filomena (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least four people die in Spain due to fifty-year-record snowfall from Storm Filomena. (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC
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 Masem (t) 19:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose No article. Kingsif (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
    • There's an article, its just not standalone. There's no requirement for a standalone as long as there's an update to an appropriate article. Though Kiril's concerns below are valid. --Masem (t) 21:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Well what I meant was that this one storm is not a significant subject in the 2020–21 European windstorm season article, and that the content about it doesn't constitute enough of an update - it happened. The other storms listed there happened, too. It doesn't have an article nor would it qualify for one, which does preclude ITN. Kingsif (talk) 22:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There's no difference between this cold wave and those that hit North America in the last couple of years. It's wintertime in Europe and such weather is not uncommon even in Spain. Also, the one-paragraph update is very unfortunate and not in par with the detailed articles that we typically have for similar cold waves (for instance February 2015 North American cold wave). What is AEMET? What are the lowest temperatures recorded? What are the regions that were most severely affected? I'm wondering if this nomination suits better for ongoing given its extended duration (normally, after a separate article with all details comes in).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Record breaking snow happens all of the time, and this windstorm doesn't seem too different from any of the other storms in the season. Gex4pls (talk) 04:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Countless Northern Ontario snow sculptures and structures have been literally melting in traditional Spanish weather this winter, you don't hear us alerting the globe, turnabout's fair play. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:36, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per, er, WP:SNOW... Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 18:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Note that it's also going to be extremely cold there: "Spaniards in large parts of the country have been warned to take care in the coming days as temperatures could fall to -12C (10F) in some areas until Thursday." Count Iblis (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) Sriwijaya Air Flight 182Edit

Article: Sriwijaya Air Flight 182 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Sriwijaya Air Flight 182 (aircraft pictured), carrying 62 passengers on board, crashes north of Jakarta, Indonesia (Post)
News source(s): ANTARA, Reuters, AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Technically not confirmed as a crash, but it's not looking good, unfortunately. Pictures and semi-official statements indicate a crash into ocean, most likely with no survivors. Juxlos (talk) 11:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment I have an edit conflict while trying to nominate this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 11:26, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Major incident that's all the more significant given the very low number of flights that are operated during the pandemic. Count Iblis (talk) 11:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - looking increasing likely there will be no survivors. Mjroots (talk) 12:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support regardless of the pandemic, we would always post such a disaster. Looks pretty conclusive, may be tempted to wait for official confirmation rather than a fisherman's report, but the blurb as it stands seems perfectly accurate. Article is in decent nick. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Significant aviation incident, probably the first major in 2021. Meets WP:ITNCRIT and is notable internationally, covered by Jerusalem Post, DW, and The Telegram. GeraldWL 12:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It is significant. All the paragraphs are sourced well.Hanamanteo (talk) 12:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Significant. Unnamelessness (talk) 13:07, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Headline item on BBC radio news. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted -- Fuzheado | Talk 13:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I think we should add the exact location of the crash. North sounds too vague. How about adding the Thousand Islands or the Laki Islands in the blurb? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 13:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Are we sure this has been confirmed? Several RS sites still made it seem slightly iffy around 16:00. [16] [17] [18]Sca (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Aviation Herald has a ship's captain who witnessed the crash of the aircraft near Lancaing Island. Seems pretty conclusive to me. (Mjroots (talk))
      • Article currently also has an eyewitness claim for Laki Island? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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      • Who's me? – Sca (talk) 16:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
A card-carrying member of the Me Generation, I spoze. – Sca (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Late Baby Boomer / Early Generation X, depending on who's definition you go by. Mjroots (talk) 17:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
That makes you a really idol round here. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Nah, a cuddly Blond yeti is nearer the mark. Mjroots (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
In case you people missed it, an airplane crashed. (No, not that Airplane.)--WaltCip-(talk) 00:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Aren't you the Slick one! - Sca (talk) 19:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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(NEW) RD: Harold BornsteinEdit

Article: Harold Bornstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Trump's former personal physician dies at age 73. Death announced today. Davey2116 (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) La Vega raidEdit

Article: La Vega raid (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: 23 people are killed during a police operation in Caracas, Venezuela (Post)
News source(s): France24 NTN24, El Comercio
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Highest death toll in a single police opertion since at least 2015 and concerns about extrajudicial killings NoonIcarus (talk) 15:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support I can guarantee if this had happened in the US or Europe or Asia or Australasia then it would be posted immediately. Incredible scenes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:54, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Considerable coverage in other countries' media. I'm very sorry that I haven't seen this earlier.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:07, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support high death toll. Just shows the tyranny of an authoritarian government. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 14:10, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support short article, but definitely important enough for ITN. Marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:12, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose for the moment. The lead especially, and some of the body, is written in English that makes very little sense. Ordinarily, this wouldn't be a problem, but the language is confusing enough that it doesn't accurately reflect English meaning. I was unable to determine some essential details about the event by reading the lead. The article needs to be copy-edited by someone who can read the Spanish sources and can ensure that they are accurately reflected. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
    • @AleatoryPonderings: I copyedited the lead. How does it look? ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 14:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
      Destroyeraa, Better—but what does "declared about the events" mean? Does it mean "mentioned" or "announced" or … ? This seems like a key fact that needs to be stated clearly. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
      • @AleatoryPonderings: Reading the source, they denied to speak about the events. I think this article was directly translated from Spanish to English, and thus some of the grammar was awkward. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 14:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Destroyeraa, I've just taken a crack at rewriting that sentence myself. Still a little concerned given the importance of the statement. The Spanish sentence says: "Para el 11 de enero, ningún funcionario de la administración de Nicolás Maduro se había pronunciado sobre los sucesos ni ofrecido un balance con la cifra de fallecidos." My limited Spanish reads this as "By 11 January, no member of the Maduro administration had made a statement about the events or announced a death toll". Does that sound OK? AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't doubt the postability of this but I'd like to see better sourcing, there is definitely more out there: BBC Mundo (translater works), Reuters, as well as expansion around the problems with the gov't before to explain why human rights groups are all over that. --Masem (t) 14:50, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
@Masem: Hi! I have further translated content from the Spanish article and added the suggested sources, any proofreading would be appreciated. Please let me know if I can help further with the article! --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
I'll Support its current state, but I'd recommend just establishing pre-this event the human rights concerns that made the rights watchdog groups take extreme notice about it. This info is not required for posting to Main Page but would help in general. --Masem (t) 22:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Deborah RhodeEdit

Article: Deborah Rhode (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF Chronicle
Credits:
Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Stanford Law Professor; leading scholar on legal ethics and author of 30 books. Have just started work on the entry. Innisfree987 (talk) 04:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:02, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Not checked in detail but on a quick glance appears rather brief for someone of her stature. For example of the three books highlighted in the lead, only one appears to be discussed in the text. Did she remain at Stanford her whole career? What positions did she hold there? When did she retire, if at all? In fact dates are rather lacking throughout. Why the three articles in the Selected publications? They don't seem to be her highest cited. Espresso Addict (talk) 16:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for these good questions, very helpful. Let me see how many I can address in the entry, will come back with an update— Innisfree987 (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Ok Espresso Addict, I feel like the entry is solid now. Thank you for your work! Innisfree987 (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Jonas NeubauerEdit

Article: Jonas Neubauer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Engadget
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tetris championship holder. Died on the 4th but family only released news on the 8th. Article was created on 9th but there's notability before that point. Short but covers key basics. Masem (t) 17:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. Currently a stub. I note in the edit history, it was redirected in Dec 2019 with comment that the subject was not notable. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
    • The article at the 2018 state lacked (pre-2020) sources that now are used to establish notability prior to death - Rolling Stone and Vice articles, as well as from various gaming sources that are on WP:VG/S. The death is adding more, but there was enough before to have an article. --Masem (t) 18:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support it's a proto-stub really featuring about four Tetris facts and his death, what's there is fine but it's nothing to write home about. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support Well sourced despite the length. Gex4pls (talk) 01:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose At ~1000B readable prose doesnt even meet DYK WP:STUBDEF. I'd suggest suggest expanding it a bit more, and can still reach WP:DYK nom deadline.—Bagumba (talk) 08:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Xu QinxianEdit

Article: Xu Qinxian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Apple Daily Voice of America
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chinese general who refused orders during Tiananmen Square. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Seems fine to me. Gex4pls (talk) 03:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. Source needed for year of birth. The Apple Daily account does not explicitly state the date of death -- is this clear in the Chinese sources? Especially as Apple Daily is listed as possibly unreliable. Has someone spot-checked the remainder of the text in Chinese-language sources? Is any further info available about his later life? Espresso Addict (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
    I've sourced the year. The date of death is explicit in the Chinese language sources. The Apple Daily reporting seems backed up/taken at face value by more reliable sources, so it should be okay, though it did seem the most unreliable of the sources in the article. The rest of the sources check out, with the caveat of the Tiananmen Papers, which I don't readily have a searchable copy of. The claims cited to it are backed up by the other sources though. There's probably not much information about his later life, considering he was thought dead/disappeared for twenty years and then confined for the past decade for doing an unauthorized interview.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 09:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. I think this is ready now. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Katharine WhitehornEdit

Article: Katharine Whitehorn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - Good enough to me.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 01:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Just a pretty good article. Gex4pls (talk) 04:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support sound article, well sourced and updated with details of her death. MurielMary (talk) 08:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   PostedBagumba (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Michael AptedEdit

Article: Michael Apted (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British director of ‘’The World is Not Enough’’ and ‘’Coal Miners Daughter’’ referencing needs improving (will get back to it in the morning) JW 1961 Talk 00:31, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose Support Not nearly enough references, most filmography is unsourced. All better! Gex4pls (talk) 04:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose too much unref. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support when the CNs had been fixed, filmography already sourced. Michael Apted is a well known and innovative British director. Ready to post Alexcalamaro (talk) 13:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Article and referencing much improved over the course of this morning thanks to Alexcalamaro and Yorkshiresky, last remaining CNs dealt with. Requesting The Rambling Man and Gex4pls to re-assess if they have time or mind to do so JW 1961 Talk 14:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – well referenced now; looks good to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:25, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't know anything about the reliability of Film Affinity and there are two inline tags still there. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:31, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
My bad – missed that. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man and Bloom6132: a discussion in RS considers FilmAffinity a reliable source, see WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_229#Film_Affinity. But I agree that maybe is needed a RfC to determine if it is Ok to add it to perennial RS. Alexcalamaro (talk) 16:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  Done, all FilmAffinity citations have been replaced (with the help from User:Yorkshiresky) and no inline tags left. Alexcalamaro (talk) 19:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Donald Trump permanently banned from TwitterEdit

ITN does not mean In Trump News. Stephen 00:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Donald Trump on social media (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Twitter permanently bans Donald Trump due to the risk of further incitement of violence (Post)
News source(s): CNN NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support never thought someone getting banned from Twitter would be ITN worthy. But this? Notable, in the news and a potential target article Donald Trump on social media is in good shape. A better blurb is needed though. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:C9BC:2062:D3CE:2CC8 (talk) 23:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Just fallout from the story that's already been posted on ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There's already enough Trump news (and U.S. political news) there now. Compared to the rest, this is rather small potatoes. BD2412 T 23:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. This is just a fallout even from the story already on ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose not ITN worthy, not going to support a substantive update to Donald Trump. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. --Masem (t) 00:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per above. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose He's going to be back. Eventually. By the way, there is Parler. He didn't even incite more violence! Abuse of power.~ Destroyer🌀🌀 00:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Tommy LasordaEdit

Article: Tommy Lasorda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KCAL-9 (CBS) Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 16:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose on quality of sourcing (multiple sections). I'd be hesitant to say this may be a blurb as his name was "household" I think but I don't know if he would necessarily be considered top of the profession, but we can't do that in the first place until the article is vastly improved. --Masem (t) 17:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Masem, I would consider him among the best manager of all time, but I don't think it's worthy of a blurb, not by my standards, which seem more exclusionist than the majority. It definitely needs work, is getting it, and I'll ping you when it's ready. Probably not for hours. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
That's what I thought, he's not quite blurb territory, hence trying to stave off that discussion now. Efforts should focus on getting quality up to post the RD. --Masem (t) 19:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Masem, hopefully it's ready now. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Now Support as all early concerns are resolved. --Masem (t) 02:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "Ireland's 'brutally misogynistic culture' saw the death of 9,000 children in mother and baby homes, report finds". CNN. Retrieved 12 January 2021.
  2. ^ "Irish government to apologise over mother-and-baby homes". BBC. Retrieved 12 January 2021.
  3. ^ "9,000 children died in Irish mother-and-baby homes, report finds". NBC. Retrieved 12 January 2021.
  4. ^ "Irish PM says 'perverse' morality drove unwed mothers' homes". ABC. Retrieved 12 January 2021.