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Old materialEdit

Some additional material may be found at this old revision of Freedom (philosophy) and this revision of the same. bd2412 T 13:55, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Freedom and liberty are equivalentEdit

Freedom and liberty being equivalent there is no need for separate articles, which is essentially forking the article. To say they are different is to put forward a false dichotomy, hence a false fork, which is a anti-constructive to our purposes here. -2600:1:9A15:7D8:B1AD:8B4E:D950:44F9 (talk) 19:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Have you ever heard of a mechanical joint having "degrees of liberty"? When an animal is released from captivity, is it given "liberty"? Do you oil a lock to give it "freedom of movement"? bd2412 T 20:57, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
The two simple ways the word is used are in its granular form, the freedom to move one's arm, and the other is the principle of freedom, and the promotion of "liberty and justice for all" (freedom and liberty, for native English speakers, are virtually equivalent). So in minding both of these, the highest usage, the philosophical usage, is generally put first.-Inowen (talk) 00:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
To the extent that there are uses of "Freedom" that are distinct from "Liberty", we need an article that describes this distinction. The topic is not ambiguous. It is merely broad. bd2412 T 00:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Well, here wouldn't be a bad place to mention the distinctions, as this is the common term. There is a liberty article, yes. We've just got some bad-form article forking at the top of the pile. Because of their equivalence, liberty should redirect to freedom (my preference).-00:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
I delivered a comment at Talk:Liberty#Equivalence or divergence of "liberty" and "freedom". -Inowen (talk) 00:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Edit history for the article "Freedom" et alEdit

Prior to 2006, the edit history for the article "Freedom" is uncertain because the Mediawiki software didn't handle page histories the same as it does now, but as of 2006, the article "Freedom" was, generally, about all freedom topics related to human freedom. (see: [1]) Then it was moved...

[2] 19:03 11 April 2006 ESkog moved page Freedom to Freedom (philosophy)
  • right after the 11 Apr 2006 move, the title "Freedom" was usupted into a disam page for the topic of freedom with the following move:
[3] 19:44, 14 April 2006 Commander Keane moved page Freedom (disambiguation) to Freedom
  • Then there was an attempt to move it to "Freedoms", which was reverted:
04:09, 23 February 2014 Red Slash (talk | contribs) moved page Freedom to Freedoms (disambiguation)
04:21, 23 February 2014 Malik Shabazz (talk | contribs) moved page Freedoms (disambiguation) to Freedom (reverted above)
  • Then later in 2014, the disam page "Freedom" was moved to "Freedom (disambiguation) without leaving behind a redirect to the disam page:
[4] 19:15, 1 September 2014 Cuchullain moved page Freedom to Freedom (disambiguation)
[5] 19:16, 1 September 2014 Cuchullain redirected page Freedom to Liberty (instead of to Freedom (disambiguation) where it was moved to)
  • Then in mid-August, a new very general topic article was started in Draft namespace:
[6] 14:29, 15 August 2014‎ BD2412 created the page Draft:Freedom to develop a very general topic article about all aspects of freedom (including those unrelated to human freedom, but not including proper nouns with the word "freedom")
[7] 11:52, 7 March 2010 Pfhorrest redirected Freedom (philosophy) to Freedom
[8] 04:48, 27 March 2010 Turian redirected Freedom (philosophy) to Free will

There may be other moves/redirects I missed, but this will help editors find some of the edit histories and old content. Sparkie82 (tc) 02:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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